Lars (29Palms)
Hi Sebastian,

auch von mir noch ein mal vielen Dank für deine ausführliche Recherche! 🙂
Best regards,
Lars
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bazza744
Sehr sympathische Website übrigens ðŸ™
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bazza744
Perhaps you include me in your beta team. I might be of some use ðŸ˜‚
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bazza744

Dear Captain7, thank you for looking into this. I have about 400+ hours in the 744 level D  simulator and am very familiar with EDDN in the real world with models like the TBM 850 and PC12. You have built an amazing replica of that airport. PMDG is true to 99+ percent of the real thing. As far I can see, Navigraph is also confused, and on all aircraft with systems like Primus Apex and the newer Boeings you can't override the frequencies as they are part of your filed flight plan. I've shared this with great friends who fly 744s and 748s for a major European cargo airline, and they could not resolve it either. But thanks very much for your congenial effort.

Cheers Sebastian.

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Captain7
indeed interesting! Thanks for sharing that conversation. Of course the approaches had been checked during the betatest and the feedback was all ok. But maybe the beta tester used FSL/AS Airbus addons, which may handle that different compared to PMDG addons? I need to check this by myself.
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bazza744
interesting :-)
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bazza744
There are some airports in the world (EDDN, EDDF, KSFO etc) which have dual ILS/LOC frequencies for the same runway. 
Sometimes these are ILS Z and ILS Y approaches.

The Navigraph databases include these. However, few Addons support such dual frequency approaches. Some choose the first frequency in the database for typically ILS Z, which might not be the correct frequency. 

For example, in FSX the wpNavAPT.txt has for EDDN:
NURNBERG EDDN28 08858277 49.496925 11.096025111.7527701046
NURNBERG EDDN28 08858277 49.496925 11.096025109.1027701046 

So, some addons (e.g. PMDG 737 NGX) display the first 111.75 for EDDN ILS Z 28 which is in fact for LOC Y 28.

Reordering to 
NURNBERG EDDN28 08858277 49.496925 11.096025109.1027701046 
NURNBERG EDDN28 08858277 49.496925 11.096025111.7527701046
fixes the problem. 

However, reordering all such dual approaches would require significant manual changes each cycle.
Until the ability to display dual frequency approaches is provided by addons developers, the best solution is for manual reorder on a case by case basis.

Cheers
Ian
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bazza744
message to navigraph.
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bazza744

EDDN ILS discrepancies ?

Post by 747rufus » Mon Aug 20, 2018 10:11 am

Hi guys, amazing work. The EDDN frequencies are a bit confusing for the aircraft - the charts of 1809 still show 109.1 as the ILS, but the 744 (PMDG last version) always autotunes to 111.15, so no avail. Could this be solved ? Thanks, Baz (Sebastian Hess)
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bazza744
I'll also touch base with Navigraph.
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bazza744
please don't see this as negative criticism - the achievement of EDDN (which I know from lots of real-world flying) is amazing. I am on AIRAC 1809, but you are right that 109.1 is still a valid frequency. So I am thrilled that you're looking at this issue. :-)
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Captain7
We updated all nav aid data of the scenery according to the newest officially published real world data (JULY 2018). But nevertheless, we had very few customers stumbling upon this "issue" of not that up to date databases in certain 3rd party addons. Maybe we offer an alternative afcad file in the upcoming V1.1 ... I'll check if this makes sense.
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bazza744
but 29palms should sort this out with navigraph, not the users who are experienced flyers. but many thanks for your constructive input :-)
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bazza744
thanks very much - then the Jeppesen/Navigraph is off course.
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Captain7
Thanks bazza744. Please check this thread at the Aerosoft forums regarding the ILS frequencies @ EDDN http://forum.aerosoft.com/index.php?/topic/137905-eddn-ils-28z-wrong-frequenz/  

Hope this helps, Volker
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bazza744

probably the best airport add-on for P3D currently. Congrats.

The only downside is that with planes like the 744 using autotune out of the AIRAC data the oudated ILS freqs make EDDN only  usable as departure airport. This can't be a huge fix :-) So please look into this.

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